All around is fire, and yet the buggers won’t leave the burning building

David Davis

These are very interesting times. The Euro is toilet-paper, Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and Cyprus are really absolutely quite fully-bust, Germany’s central bank is saying “sort yourselves out”, and yet….and yet….

This country’s government has already given £14 billion in aid to a currency that we don’t belong to, were nearly bullied into joining, and have no interest in….and furthermore, it says “there is no popular support for a referendum on the European Union”.

The current shift of Chimpanzee-Type-writers in the draughty Lancashire Nissen Hut is really not sure what to make of this. Or perhaps they are: When this government (or any for that matter) says the magic word “The People”, it probably means “the people that it has victoriously elected in the latest round of _people’s elections_ “, which is to say: itself.

I don’t recall any recent polls asking about the EU that said anything other than a clear majority of the British People would like to leave it. Does anybody else have any different information?

As Brutus said…”I pause for a reply”.



  • When considering the clamour for a referendum it might be worth considering the following; Denmark rejected the Maastricht Treaty in a referendum; Ireland rejected the Nice Treaty in a referendum; France and Holland rejected the EU Constitution/Lisbon Treaty in a referendum; Ireland rejected the Lisbon Treaty in a referendum. Each of these referenda killed the respective treaties stone dead. Yet they still live.
    Also, the Conservatives are reported to be considering promising us a referendum in their next manifesto. Have we forgotten that David Cameron gave us a ‘cast iron pledge’ of a vote on the Lisbon Treaty before the last election? Tony Blair had previously promised us a referendum on the EU Constitution (before it became the Lisbon Treaty) ‘regardless of what happened in other countries’ (this was before France and Holland voted ‘No’, when he suddenly changed his mind). If my memory serves me correctly, Gordon Brown also promised us a referendum on Lisbon.
    Finally, in the extremely unlikely event that we do get a referendum, what then? We vote no to continued EU membership, the politicians say ‘you’ve had the referendum we promised you’, simply ignore the result and carry on as normal? Or will they then promise to begin negotiating our withdrawal, a process which will undoubtedly take decades? Or will a ‘No’ vote be regarded as provisional while a ‘Yes’ vote is final, as has been the case in all previous referenda?
    We really need to think this through.

  • The Euro is screwed, the EU is screwed – these political assholes are like the designer of the Titanic sitting on the bow as it goes tits up saying @but God couldn’t sink the ship@ – so as my late boss said “Scroooom!”

  • The EU was screwed from day one and the real ‘people’ of the UK – at it’s very core – never wanted to be a part of it. The very early so-called vote on joining was rigged from start to finish. Great publicity is the key to winning elections as well as selling televisions – so the ad-men assure us. Well, as I recall, Heath’s wretched government allowed a total to be spent on promoting a ‘yes’ vote and a little over three hundred and seventy five thousand to support the views of those who wanted to stay out. So there could only ever have been one way for the vote to go.

    On top of that, the even more wretchedly biased BBC (damn them to hell), went out of its way to publicise the merits of going in. ‘Shipping our goods to far distant lands seems crazy when there are so many potential buyers right here on our doorstep’ I recall one report at the time mentioning. (super-tankers hadn’t yet been thought of yet).

    I’m afraid we wont get a vote on staying in or not until they (the corporate bosses) can be guaranteed a yes vote by the government.

    End of… as they currently say.

  • Had to take a call – became distracted. Sorry!

    The figure spent by Heath was a little over seven million pounds. Shouldn’t be a hard figure to track down; it was mentioned in several daily newspapers a few months after the vote as I recall.

  • “Popular support” is only listened to, and indeed one might say, discovered to exist, when the ruling class require it. If they want to bring in a law against, say, cheese, they will find some weeping woman whose child died of a cheese-related cause, and some pressure group demanding an end to cheese. And the Daily Mail will say END THIS EVIL CHEESE THING NOW and the ruling class say, “look, there is a great discussion in the nation about cheese and we are obligated to respond”, and then they ban cheese. If they’re not interested in banning cheese, it doesn’t matter if millions are marching against cheese in the streets, then they will say, “oh, it’s only a few agitators, the mood of the country is not in favour”.

    They take us for fools. Considering that we (that is the majority of us ordinary folks) continually fall for the same manipulations and deceits over and over again, that might be a reasonable analysis.

  • The referendum was under Wilson in 1975 – we voted whether or not to remain in the EEC. There never was a vote on joining.

  • I failed to log the detail regarding the origins of finding ourselves in Europe. But that was not the point that I’d became so keen to remind readers of.

    Decimalisation came earlier of course and was, I believe, another important pro-European move sponsored for and by big-business. We led the world in aircraft design and building at the time. We were the first nation to be taking machining tolerances to within one millionth of an inch, and all though we produced watches and clocks of outstanding design and quality, it was the Swiss who took the laurels for machining precision. There are many similar incidents of anti-engineering lunacy that was wrought by the UK government, but to decide that we had to drastically change our very way of taking measurements helps prove a valid point. Remember too that we have yet to go totally decimal in this country – even after all these years of intimidation and bullying.

    This entire period seemed to me to mark the real beginning of an almost pathological hatred of all things Victorian – one that continues right up to this day. To many, it seems that Victorians seemed to represent hard work through vulgar engineering. Elizabethans to me at least represent failure, hypocrisy, crime and industrial inertia.

    Hugo, granted that I didn’t nail the detail sufficiently clear, however, I certainly recall well enough how we found ourselves in Europe. Wilson took us in but it was Heath that locked us in. And he did it by means of the financial chicanery mentioned.

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