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Sorry guys


UPDATE1:- And here’s a little bit of circumstancial evidence for my case: they bastards don’t even rate their own slaves, let alone us, who don’t acknowledge them as our masters.

David Davis

This is going to be an unpleasant posting for me. Indeed it may perhaps mark the point of my break with mainstream libertarians, who favour nothing at all but peaceful engagement with the Enemy Class. But the battle between liberty and evil indivuals who wish it to be suppressed has gone on too long, it is now inconvenient and irritating, the Cause of Liberty is being held up, and I want to trigger some discussion about our desired results.

Libertarians ought to have well-articulated and widely-trawled plan of what to do about members of the Enemy Class. They ought to start to be told that they are identified as inimical to personal liberty in all areas of a person’s life.

The stupid FDR’s stuff in 1943 about “unconditional surrender” was at the time an unproductive and costly mistake, directed accidentally as it was against a people who would probably – just like the Italians – in the mass have been pleased to accept “terms”, being civilised individuals unlike the junta which they tragically failed to not elect in 1933. We could stillhave tried and hung trash like Frank, Frick, Rosenberg, Seyss-Inquart, Himmler, Goebbels, the other chappies, even the Führer himself if it had come to a deal. The Jews and all the rest of those exterminated would still have been vindicated, and Stalin might not even have got his unjust deserts.

We might also not even have needed to have been tricked into destroying Dresden on Stalin’s orders, and thus not have trodden into seemingly eternal and embarrassingly deep shit because of it. (It riles me, you can see. Germany did NOT need to elect Hitler in the first place. We are equally at fault for allowing our Enemy Class to gain ascendancy while we had been busy. We have even less excuse for our negligence than Germans in 1933, for we live in a nominally-liberal society.)

Nurtured in the bosom of benign capitalism, yet schooled in the dark perverted lights of false science, the Enemy Class of today is sadly not like the semi-hezitant-Nazis of 1933 at all. It is far, far more confident and hubristic.

We libertarians are too fixed on the universal provision of Natural Rights and individual liberty for all. In pursuing this admirable goal, we neglect at our peril its mortal enemies, who have pursued their own “Project” for centuries, are doing so now, are now extremely able communicators and media-mobsters, and will continue so to be and to do.

They have “learned lessons” from the fates of their friends, in Germany in the 1930s to 1945, in the USSR from 1917-1989, from Red-Ted Heath their friend, from Harold Wilson who was not serious enough, and from Ceaucescu whose fate they do not want to undergo.

They will, from this day forward, never change, never apologise, and never surrender. Living and recently-dead-examples in no special order? Polly Toynbee, George Monbiot, Al Gore, Michael Moore, Baroness Scotland, Douglas Hogg, the BBC top brass, Castro (who at least died), Madeleine Bunting, Sunny Sandalwood, Kim Long-Il (ditto), that woman in the EU who wants to shut “right wing” political blogs down, the other guy who forces toxic defective lighting on us, and so on. Form an orderly queue, chaps, to convert one of more of these to liberalism, starting now.

Can you do it?

Can you?

Our objective can’t be cleanly reached in any even vaguely reasonable timescale, if there are intelligent, highly-educated and well-resourced humanoids who openly and sincerely mean to impose the opposite case by force if need be. What, after all, is “choice-editing”, for God’s sake?

These buggers are in it from times primeval in their lives, probably from swaddling-clothes in fact: they are collectivists deliberately, and they deliberately do collectivist things to masses and masses of unwilling or too-busy-to-do-anything-about-it-people. And then, when parts of the Project go pear-shaped, they get parachuted out to other parts less exposed to our ire. Sacked Prime-Monsters who go on $100,000-speechmaking junkets are another case in point.

We can hold conferences till we are blue in the face. In fact I will raise this very matter at a frnge-meeting which I will try to set up on 24th/25th October at the Libertarian Alliance’s annual binge in London.

We can publish stuff till the Finnish paper-forests are razed. (Indeed, you ought to weigh the tonnage of paper which the Libertarian Alliance alone produced from the 70s to the 2000s, until http://libertarian.co.uk came fully on-stream.)

Libertarians have blogs – there are probably hundreds out there, mostly talking to each other. Libertarian blogs’ blogrolls are among the longest you will find anywhere in the internet. They are usually a good read, unlike the collectivists’ attempts: perhaps we are cleverer or wittier or better educated (I doubt it) writers, or we read more things faster in wider areas, and so write better.

But all the while, the collectivists and other GramscoFabiaNazis seem to gain ground. They now openly flaunt the levers of State Power,  brandishing joyfully and exultantly the hammers-and-anvils-of-compulsion, dressed warmly and cuddlily in the clothes of caring, security, safety, community-concern and the like. They will never admit they are unfathomably evil by design, nor will they ever backtrack.

I do not, any more, believe that even a minority of them are capable of honest conversion to liberalism and liberty of humans all as sovereign individuals. Their potential rewards for the successful completion of their “Project”, of total and eternal human enslavement, to the benefit of the chosen Honestiores and believers, exceed in their eyes the importance of the general destruction of Man’s prospects in The Universe.

After all, why ought they to care about that? They think we all die in the end, and that there Is Nothing After. If they get to be Earthly Lords – for even a little time – to whom we always and everywhere bow the knee: and if we are forced to offer our sexiest daughters (and sons?) for their shagging, in return for our paltry rations of saltless boiled vegetables and water, eaten and drunk in the freezing darkness: then, what is it to them? Nothing.

They will have taken /revenge/ – for what? Here are five reasons for vengeance ‘pon the rest of us that incense the Enemy Class. And I could go on after…

(1) Revenge for the slow but sure concatenation of events that followed Magna Carta –

(2) Revenge for the Rennaissance -and for printing –

(3) Revenge for the Industrial Revolution (a wrong name) which took millions of us out of their mud-bound, sword-flatting, oak-hard-grip –

(4) Revenge for agricultural-surpluses -which meant that 98% of us didn’t have to spend more than all our lives simply trying to grow food and eat some –

(5) Revenge for towns and cities where poverty first became hideous at last, for scientific and medical progress, with Christian Charity (not fake ones, they’d have been appalled, specially the “poor”) showed what would be achieved instead –

If they’d thought harder about it, they’d even have been decrying and execrating the invention of the WHEELED PLOUGH. This brought the rise of the “New Towns” from about AD 1050 to 1400. Newport, Neustadt, Neuville, Newton-le-Willows, Newcastle, Novgorod. Clearly hotbeds of anti-Righteous sedition and revolution, all of them. I don’t however see George Monbiot and Paul Ehrlich criticising it though.

I have said before that we have to have a serious, and published plan about what is intended for those of the Enemy Class who do not recant, and who will not recant. There will be many. Furthermore, many will recant who are not sincere, and who will intend to prosecute their evils after recantation. These will need specially to be identified.

People who oppose liberty for sovereign individuals – the utterly individual, contractual, trust-based, one-to-one, fully-atomised kind of libery that Lords so hate and fear, must be made to feel that we are as serious about promoting this kind of liberty as they are about demolishing it and replacing it with collective liberties for masses, handed out by said Lords as acts of dispensation.

The time has come to draw the line.

Shopping is the problem


David Davis

Samizdata I think has articulated the anti-G20, anti-everything problem first and best.

“Going Forward”, we must all upgrade to living in caves and animal skins: we must go forwards to our natural state as hunter-gatherers, of fruit, and of healthy greens. Then there will be no need for shops. Our guts can re-evolve back to 300 feet long, we can go back to quadrupedalism, our brains will shrink, and we shall as true animals progress accordingly.

And then, when the next asteroid comes, we shall die. Like the others…all over the observable Universe. God is merciful and Great….scumbags. What was it she called it…? “Requiem for Man”? You know! That strange unreadable woman whom everybody says they hate….(no, not Margaret Thatcher: she was a chemist, you know.)

And poor old Polly Toynbee still does not get it…h/t The Devil. John Redwood thinks she’s deranged, but I guess she will let it pass, and will fly to her house in Italy untroubled…

If in doubt….PAYRISE!


Fred Bloggs

In the face of the current economic crisis (some might say fiscal armageddon) the goverment has devised a plan, which consists of, briefly, giving themselves a 60% pay rise. No doubt this “plan” will solve all the economic problems in the world, feed all the starving Africans, raise Atlantis, and with all its well-crafted majesty, scare the Russians so shitless they’ll give Lenin a haircut. Or, well, maybe not.

Apart from the Atlantis bit.

Find out more Here.

RBS: The Paul Myners/Harriet Harman/Derek Wanless thingy smells ever more fishy.


UPDATE:- Ooooooooooooh, look at this one too! Guido again. the sheer brass neck, the czhutzpah (if that’s how it’s spelt – I have no clue what czhutzpah is, maybe it’s an African cooking sauce) of these stalinist graspers just beggars the imagination.

David Davis

I smell a rat. I see it floating in the air. (Hat tip Guido, for Guido-guiding us to here.)

It seems that socialists will always be found, in the end, with their hands in the till. Be they ever so compassionate towards Working People – or just “The People” – be they ever so Fabian, so – well – Toynbee-esque, they can’t keep away from money, they simply can’t do it, it’s not in their nature, it’s like a magnet to them.

Perhaps it’s their institutional-amorality. They’re always gassing on about “capitalists” and their “worship of profit over people”. They trumpet their credentials to the rooftops: just read any article by Polly Toynbee for example, like this one.

(Pol) Pot calling kettle black, all over again, and again, and again….

Why can’t they just throw in the towel, stop pretending to want to “redistribute” other people’s legitimate property to those whom they purport to “represent”, and simply join the existing game?

Some may win: then they can be philanthropic without hurting others. This will be fine, and conservatives will not complain. We have done it for centuries. Then of course you die.

Some may not win, and some may even leave “out of the  money”. But that’s just life: so do we, and so have we also done for centuries. Then, after it’s all over, you die as well, even if you have failed first. It’s the rules of the game.

The stalinists don’t mind it happening to actors and actresses (many of whom they themselves f***, like JFK did) like that – so why not themselves? 

Hypocrites.

The “science” bit in here is an absolute scream … and lower down, the Devil baits Polly Toynbee again – great theatre


If I’d wanted to make it up, then even with my own hyper-vivid imagination, I could not have done better. After this, you just gotta-eat-potatoes, it’s such a scream listening to that patronising lefty cooking-celeb woman. I nearly had a heart-attack pissing myself with mirth. Better not, or else my son will do the blogging and then you’ll all be really sorry.

David Davis

And here’s The Devil’s go at naughty Polly the lefty, and the champion of not letting poor people fly to places.


English Coastal Corridor: is this for “ramblers” or for patrolling GUARDS?


David Davis

The government is proposing to nationalise the coastline. The Devil has the usual better details here.

This is ostensibly for the benefit of “ramblers” and other lefties. The idea of property rights and the private enjoyment of them does not seem to figure.

Personally, when it comes to running stuff like firms (or, dare I say it, States?) I do not really trust people who have nothing better to do all day than to stride aimlessly about in the open. Often, they are wearing coloured plastic clothes too, and are performing “walking-stick-theatre”.

They are very clearly under-employed: they should be at their desks working, or in their shops, stacking stock or ordering it, such as cigarettes (not shopping, that’s for other workers in their time off in the night) or in their cars on the road, selling to others.

At a pinch, they could be down in their mines, mining for things people want, like coal or Tungsten or Uranium. That’s not for the faint-hearted among them, I agree.

Now, I do appreciate that there is some point to the close-up enjoyment of beautiful outdoor spaces such as coastlines, mountain landscapes and so forth. I have done it myself, from time to time. But I do not feel the need to go forth and grab, statutorily, all of it at once, on a contingency-use basis, knowing that I personally will probably never take advantage of my land-grab.

No. These people are socialists: this is the sort who want voluntarily to regulate the lives of others to the supposed pace and tenor of their own, and then we often find that theirs bears no resemblence to their recommendation: just regard Polly Toynbee for instance.

I am not a fan of consproacy theories as you all know. But a 10-metre-wide “corridor” (with other prosthetic spaces attached periodically) smacks strongly of a guading-facility. You could get the following into it:-

(1) A razor-wire fence,

(2) Watch towers,

(3) Searchlights,

(4) Trip-wire-machine guns,

(5) Dog runs.

(6) at the expense of the dog runs and trip wires, you might even get a small anti-vehicle trench.

I leave you lot to think about it and draw conclusions.

Polly Toynbee bashing time … at last the evil woman has revealed how deeply tainted with wickedness she is.


(Edit: And here’s another manifestation, from Legiron this time, of why collectivists and (what he dubs creatively-correctly) “the Righteous” are evil and deliberately so.)

David Davis

I don’t think Polly Toynbee is an ordinary kind human being. Years ago, this hypothesis was moderately tenable, but not any more. Specially after this, just spotted (hat tip Guido.)

As I have never failed to make very clear, I equate a belief in collectivism – in all its forms – with a deliberate will to do evil, and to set out to actively embrace wickedness, on behalf of a theoretical ideal which has consistently failed in practice. This is because the controverting evidence is as clear as bright glass. Therefore, anyone who not only persists in such beliefs but actively proselytises them, must be premeditatedly wicked. Keir Hardie. Stalin. Hitler. Mao tse Tung. Chavez. Ken Livingstone. Polly Toynbee.

There are of course other evils that stalk the World: this is merely a carefully-designed one, and quite new, less than three centuries old. This special evil arose as a result of the Enlightenment, the Scientific Revolution, and Man’s progressive realisation that He could get along quite nicely without self-appointed authoritarian rulers or priests f*****g up His life, taking his stuff, and pissing Him about. Other evils have been conquered in the past: also some, arising in the Dark Ages in South West Asia, pretend to torment us today, specially when in league conveniently with the modern one I have just described….these are not the main problem, and may even wither away.

But the awfulness of being in such a state of existence appalls me.

Perhaps wickedness is not perceived as such by its doers? Maybe they really DO see the world differently from other people, as though through a lens which inverts values as well as brightness and contrast? Or as if with a moral compass where the needle has been repolarised the wrong way round?

The prospect that I could be right fills me with horror.

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